drill

[DRILL PIG]

Originally Posted by worst_case

Drill; a neccesary evil. There is a point to it but I think there are some on here who place far too much importance on drill. .

I fully agree.

Originally Posted by worst_case

Discipline and team work can be achieved through other means which are a lot more enjoyable.

Drill can be as enjoyable as any other lesson, over do it, teach it incorrectly, use as a punishment and you will lose the desire to learn and the abiltiy to maintain interest.

Any subject taught correctly by an entusiastic subject knowledgable instructor results in even Drill or Map & Compass been interesting and enjoyable.

(Instructors with subject strenths used to max ability is the key).

Drill must be put in to the program and have an even balance with other subjects to suceed.

Originally Posted by worst_case

Again, I think this is down to some peoples perception that the ACF should be run along ATRA lines, something I do not agree with.

I also agree with that, we are a youth org.

[blobo12123]

Drill is an APC subject, and it should be taught as often as other lessons. But it should not be overdone. It should not be done for 3 parade nights in a row (unless it's building up to something. E.G Drill weekend or rememberance parade).

[worst_case]

A drill weekend!!! How perverted are you?

[yorkshire-lad]

A drill night is bad enough

[war moger]

your all slack, a weekend of drill can lead to a unit working together in time. instead of different dets having different timings (which is often the case)

[DRILL PIG]

Originally Posted by war moger

your all slack, a weekend of drill can lead to a unit working together in time. instead of different dets having different timings (which is often the case)

If you have enough enthusiastic instructors who have sound subject knowledge you can have sqds of various levels, then it is a matter of polishing up and you can teach with the fun factor.

Nice idea, however 'Drill weekend' - Hard enough to get drill on a weekend trg program as it is, so not much chance of a weekend dedicated for drill.

More drill periods for all star levels could be introduced on annual with a team of instructors allocated to teach all star levels. (But me thinks wishfull thinking).

[war moger]

ive been on a drill weekend with coy before.

though chances of it happening gain are slim.

[yorkshire-lad]

Originally Posted by DRILL PIG

More drill periods for all star levels could be introduced on annual with a team of instructors allocated to teach all star levels. (But me thinks wishfull thinking).

Some people really do have a screw loose

[worst_case]

What is it with people on this site and their obession with drill??? Unless you join the Household Div or your unit spends a month doing Public Duties the vast majority of none training regt units spend very little time on drill as it holds very little usefull purpose in todays Army.
What would you say is more important: drill or doing first aid, learning new weapon systems, practicing tactics, spending time on the range, making sure the vehicles and kit are working well etc etc? Not really that hard a question to answer is it.

[verdi811]

Originally Posted by worst_case

What is it with people on this site and their obession with drill??? Unless you join the Household Div or your unit spends a month doing Public Duties the vast majority of none training regt units spend very little time on drill as it holds very little usefull purpose in todays Army.
What would you say is more important: drill or doing first aid, learning new weapon systems, practicing tactics, spending time on the range, making sure the vehicles and kit are working well etc etc? Not really that hard a question to answer is it.

I agree with your comments 100% but you seem to have forgoten that this is an ACF website!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[worst_case]

Drill may show discipline to a potential employer but then I'm sure a potential employer would be more interested in a young person who is qualifed in first aid and has a BTEC than one whoes spent the last 5 years obsessing over drill.

[jimmyb896]

But the whole ACF system isn't designed to make people ninjas in any particular area, be that drill or first aid or skill at arms

Rather, it demonstrates the qualities that some employers may be very interested in - teamwork, discipline, commitment, dedication and loyalty.

If some people find that drill is the prefered medium that allows them to practice these skills, good luck to 'em!

[tom_dkg]

Originally Posted by worst_case

What is it with people on this site and their obession with drill??? Unless you join the Household Div or your unit spends a month doing Public Duties the vast majority of none training regt units spend very little time on drill as it holds very little usefull purpose in todays Army.
What would you say is more important: drill or doing first aid, learning new weapon systems, practicing tactics, spending time on the range, making sure the vehicles and kit are working well etc etc? Not really that hard a question to answer is it.

Good point that drill is and should be very low priority in most working units.

Where you except training regiments, I think you do appreciate that part of training is necessary, and cadet units, with their constant throughput of young people are in a way always a training unit.

Without being obsessive about drill (I am personally much more a John le Mesurier style "would you guys mind awfully please...getting on parade...and perhaps falling into threes....!); like the other subjects a newcomer will look at it, think it's easy, try it, find it's not, but then learns a bit and gets a kick out of achieving! That works for taking a parade as well.

Also we certainly felt strongly that we would be letting down the Army if we had not achieved a reasonable quality of drill for say a Remembrance Parade, or the local Anzac Day Parade, and slobbed about in front of an educated audience looking like a bunch of chavs off down to the pub! Some of the guys at the Anzac Day parades had crossed the world to be there!

Agreed obsession is dangerous, agreed all subjects have to taught and learned to a good standard, but I still think it is vital to "get it right".

[verdi811]

Originally Posted by worst_case

Drill may show discipline to a potential employer but then I'm sure a potential employer would be more interested in a young person who is qualifed in first aid and has a BTEC than one whoes spent the last 5 years obsessing over drill.

Mate as a died in the wool drill pig and about as green as it gets i can see both sides to the argument .
But i think your missing the point. If the cadets like/enjoy/ love/get stiff over drill should we as adults be putting them down ???? Answer NO . In my exp the cadets love it to begin with because its the one thing that makes them feel a bit different.
If that means they remain in the cadets and progess on to bigger and better things later on in their cadet life such as JCIC SCIC or or maybe CADIC or CASIC. or just stay of the streets ..Then Drill has to be a good thing. Your posts however very true and valid are also very (reg) orientated. coz its simple if the cadets love anything that they do in cadets lets not put them or the adults down for creating enthusism as it is after all Inspire to Achieve

[verdi811]

Originally Posted by worst_case

What is it with people on this site and their obession with drill??? Unless you join the Household Div or your unit spends a month doing Public Duties the vast majority of none training regt units spend very little time on drill as it holds very little usefull purpose in todays Army.
What would you say is more important: drill or doing first aid, learning new weapon systems, practicing tactics, spending time on the range, making sure the vehicles and kit are working well etc etc? Not really that hard a question to answer is it.

Just one thing more .This is the only drill thread on here that most people use but look at all the webbing threads.... Now that really does make me wonder if the cadets are being taught what is needed to be taught. I for one teach what a cadet should have and were in their webbing. but so many cadets seem to have zero idea as it keeps coming back as a new thread at least once a week......